Chevy calls it's car an Eww

"Tapas" (tapas) 05/19/2019 at 22:20 • Filed to: None

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Heres the Bolt EUV (pronounced Eww).

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For Sweden > Tapas 05/19/2019 at 22:34

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It’s the EUV truck

GanjaGreenF40 > Tapas 05/19/2019 at 22:34

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I agree. Eww is right. F×*king Suv’s, Cuv’s and Electric or hybrids. Burn them all

Petrol Power Only 

His Stigness > Tapas 05/19/2019 at 22:46

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Electric SUVs are the dumbest things ever.

Take for instance the Audi e tron. It has a 95 kWh battery pack, but it doesn’t use the whole thing. But let’s say it’s using 85 kWh, it will only go about 250 miles, in ideal conditions.

In comparison there will soon be the VW ID 3, a Golf sided vehicle with a 77ish kWh pack and should go 300 miles in a charge.

More miles. Smaller battery.

Why and the fuck are they pushing SUVs when the biggest problem is range for people?!? 

404 - User No Longer Available > His Stigness 05/19/2019 at 22:58

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Guess the slight issue is we don’t really have true SUVs anymore. These are hatchbacks on stilts.

Tristan > Tapas 05/19/2019 at 23:30

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What a coincidence- I call their entire SUV lineup “Eew”!

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Tapas 05/19/2019 at 23:49

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Entirely Underwhelming Vehicle.

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > His Stigness 05/20/2019 at 00:34

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I’d argue t hey’re not pushing suv/cuv packaging , just reacting. P eople are buying them, so it would be very unwise to ignore the largest and fastest growing market segment any longer. The e-tron suv comparison is unfair since it’s a pretty half assed rushed out version of an EV. For a better comparison, look  at the bolt vs the Kona /Niro EVs, both of which are more crossover-ish. R ange effects will minimal and compensated for with extra space for batteries and a higher selling price that crossovers command . And honestly people buying EVs aren’t that range anxious. People who regularly take road trips generally aren’t interested and won’t be for a long time yet. That’s why the Volt is dying/died— few in the EV market are using an EV as an only vehicle. That or they’re the kind of person who never road trips. But all market segments are buying crossovers. In a world where everything from the Chevy Trax to Bentley B entayga sell, not having a crossover EV is absurd and suicidal.

His Stigness > 404 - User No Longer Available 05/20/2019 at 01:41

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Which is a problem in itself. The e-tron should just be an estate. 

His Stigness > JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” 05/20/2019 at 01:43

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The e-tron is most certainly not a half-assed attempt. I went and spent some time with and drove it and it is incredibly impressive. Most of the salesman and trainers were getting north of 250 miles on a charge, so I know VW is taking a conservative approach with their estimates, which is brilliant. I’m tired of bullshit EPA ratings which mean nothing in the real world.

And when it comes to EVs the only way to get buyers is with longer range. So they should have skipped the crossover body and come out with a wagon or a sedan and people that are in the market for something that isn’t a Tesla or a Bolt would get it. But with 205 miles minimum  range people will get a Tesla or a Bolt.

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > His Stigness 05/20/2019 at 09:01

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Everyone gets better than the epa mileage in every EV. Until winter comes. And by half assed I just meant that while VAG is developing some amazing EV platforms, the etron is built onto a version of the MLB arictecture that was designed over a decade ago without Modern EVs in mind. There are likely   reasons it’s not as range efficient with its batteries as purpose built EV platforms, which is why it’s not a great comparison to the idea of a “Bolt EUV.” The Kona and Niro EVs are more the bolt EUV’s competition and they get very similar range from similar battery packs despite the Korean cars being more upright and “crossover-ish.” There won’t be a noticeable range penalty shaping the bolt a little more like what people are buying these days anyway. And since bolt sales are definitely not increasing it’s something they absolutely have to do, keep releasing more EV models that people actually will buy. I’m a small car and coupe person who owns an ELR and some classic small cars,  but people are buying crossovers and a company that doesn’t offer a crossover in a segment that has them, smallish $30k ballpark EVs, won’t stay competitive for long in 2019.

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” 05/20/2019 at 09:16

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Also, again, range isn’t a concern for people in the current EV market. 200+ miles handles even the most driving heavy day around town, and any potential buyer knows that. U ntil range is well over 500 miles and/or chargers that can return 100 miles a minute are ubiquitous EVs won’t be appealing to the hardcore Roadtrippers or truly range anxious.

I used to drive 500 miles a day regularly when I had to work out of town sometimes. Didn’t buy an EV, even a range extended one, until that stopped. N ow I’ve never driven my ELR more than 100 miles in a day in the 8 months I’ve owned it. And I’ve usually driven less than 25. I like knowing I could road trip it because there was a chance work would send me out of town again. And I like the small battery pack because I only have a 15amp 110V circuit in my garage. B ut I try not to use it on gas (still on my second tank since I bought the car)  and realistically understand that even crappy compliance EVs like a 500e would have had more than enough range for my every day driving.

I could charge something like the bolt once or twice a week and get by. S o could most people I know. R ange isn’t the limiting factor on people seriously considering EVs today.

His Stigness > JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” 05/20/2019 at 13:19

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We must be in entirely different markets or talk to different people because your average buyer will never accept 200 miles of range, even 250 in the Bolt. People *think* they need more miles, despite the reality being completely different. But charging times are a big thing too. I suspect that if current 250-mile cars could recharge in 15-20 minutes you’d get 10-20% of those people currently saying no. But the 0ther 80% of people would still say no because “what if I want to drive across the country” as if they’ve ever done that more than once in their life.

And I am speaking from actual experience being an e-Golf owner and people asking about my car. I am your typical driver and 125 miles of total range is plenty. I live in Southern California so I drive everywhere, and I always use my e-Golf. But I am also your typical EV owner: I have multiple cars. So when I want to go somewhere outside of my range and where charging placement sucks, like the Central Coast, I have another car. But going into LA and even San Diego is doable and not a penalty.

Back to the e-tron and also the I Pace. I don’t think either was half-assed, even if they’re built on existing platforms. The automakers need to get something out now for that small subset of EV drivers who want something other than a Tesla but don’t want to be put in a penalty box like a Bolt, Leaf, or Hyundai/Kia. People who can afford $75,000 plus on a car that can’t use in every instance want a nice  car. And there are many out there who refuse to buy a Tesla because they’re not beta testers. That’s why Audi and Jaguar both came out with their cars. They fill a market niche and they’ve just secured themselves customers for their future bespoke EVs. And VW did the same thing with the e-Golf. People, like myself, who bought an e-Golf even though the Leaf has more range, or the Bolt, wanted a nice car. We all have other cars so we’re willing to get an e-Golf and wait for the ID series which will be able to replace our conventional cars. For people in target markets, like the California coast, in three years when our lease is up we can go get a VW ID and never have to worry about distance or charging. 

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > His Stigness 05/20/2019 at 15:00

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Really I agree with most all of this. I didn’t mean to imply that most people will buy a 200-250 mile range EV tomorrow, but that people like us who are actually seriously considering or already purchased EVs realize that even 200 miles is far more than enough range for daily needs .

The rest of the consumers (people who buy full size trucks because they think they might want to tow something someday) are irrational about their needs and   won’t be swayed by incremental improvements to range. They are not going to be early adopters of EVs no matter what, i t’s fruitless to chase them with 50 more miles of range when they will always want more and the real buyers have no use for more batteries to lug around.

I tend to believe that focusing on making nice, appealing EVs at ever more competitive price points with 200-250 miles of range and ever faster potential charging times is the right move rather than hoping to sway someone who sees 250 miles as not enough range by spending more on a battery pack that will be lugged around as fully charged dead weight 95% of the time.

Which leads back to the original point, consumers in every slice of the market are buying crossovers, so making sure you offer a crossover style package for your EV platform is a better move business wise despite range penalties than trying to eek out a few more miles of range. Crossover = “nice car” to a huge swath of the population today. Plus while the bolt looks like an economy car and therefore seems expensive, a $30-35k range crossover isn’t as far out of line. Just by squaring up the hood and making it look a little more rugged suddenly not only is the bolt ‘nicer’ but it’ll also read as a ‘better value’ to many consumers. The bolt EUV is a good move and a long time coming, as much as it’s not appealing to you or me. Why did Audi make their first EV a crossover? And jag? And Mercedes? People will buy crossovers. And buy them at a premium to help cover the upfront costs of the battery pack. Range penalties be damned because after 200 or so miles range doesn’t matter to actual  EV buyers.